Legislature(2021 - 2022)ADAMS 519

03/10/2022 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:33:13 PM Start
01:33:47 PM HB283
01:33:58 PM Presentation: University of Alaska Deferred Maintenance
01:44:28 PM Presentation: Municipal Harbor Matching Grants
02:15:00 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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+= HB 283 APPROP: CAP; REAPPROP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Presentation: University of Alaska Deferred TELECONFERENCED
Maintenance
+ Presentation: Municipal Harbor Matching Grants TELECONFERENCED
by Department of Transportation and Public
Facilities
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 283                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   making  appropriations,   including  capital                                                                    
     appropriations,     reappropriations,     and     other                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:33:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA DEFERRED MAINTENANCE                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:33:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAD  HUTCHISON, DIRECTOR,  STATE  RELATIONS, UNIVERSITY  OF                                                                    
ALASKA,   provided   a    PowerPoint   presentation   titled                                                                    
"University  of Alaska  for Alaska,"  dated  March 10,  2022                                                                    
(copy on  file). He listed  colleagues available  online. He                                                                    
noted that many  of the requests listed  in the presentation                                                                    
were similar  to requests made  the previous year.  He began                                                                    
with an FY  23 capital budget summary on slide  2. The slide                                                                    
included  the  Board of  Regents'  request  of $50  million,                                                                    
which  was  standard for  the  university.  Included in  the                                                                    
governor's  GO [general  obligation]  bond package  proposal                                                                    
(SB 166) was $18.7 million  for Moore Hall and Bartlett Hall                                                                    
located at the center of  the University of Alaska Fairbanks                                                                    
(UAF) campus. He detailed that  the insides of the buildings                                                                    
were  corroded. He  had  seen a  quote  specifying that  the                                                                    
buildings were on  the verge of an imminent  sewer and water                                                                    
systemic   failure.  Therefore,   $18.7  million   had  been                                                                    
included in the governor's GO  bond package. He relayed that                                                                    
the $18.7 million  had increased from the  previous year due                                                                    
to supply issues.  He would provide further  detail later in                                                                    
the presentation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hutchison moved to the second  item on slide 2. He noted                                                                    
that  the   student  information  technology   (IT)  systems                                                                    
modernization  and  security  upgrades  were  of  particular                                                                    
interest to  University of Alaska  President Pat  Pitney. He                                                                    
detailed that the system had  last been upgraded in the late                                                                    
1990s. He spoke  to the need for mobility  and an experience                                                                    
that students  had come to  expect when it came  to services                                                                    
including  enrollment, advising,  and  other. He  elaborated                                                                    
that the update would  be systemwide. Currently, the funding                                                                    
was  coming from  the federal  Coronavirus capital  projects                                                                    
fund.  There   was  an  open  question   about  whether  the                                                                    
university could qualify for the  $20 million as proposed by                                                                    
the governor.  He explained that the  use had to be  tied to                                                                    
the  Coronavirus. The  university was  making its  best case                                                                    
and  had   submitted  an  application   to  the   Office  of                                                                    
Management  and  Budget  (OMB) and  OMB  had  submitted  the                                                                    
application  to  the  U.S.  Treasury.   He  noted  that  the                                                                    
Treasury took  a bit of  time to provide feedback.  He added                                                                    
that the  increment and funding  situation was  something to                                                                    
keep  in  mind, whether  it  came  from capital  or  federal                                                                    
funds.  He relayed  the university  had not  yet received  a                                                                    
definitive  answer from  the Treasury.  He highlighted  that                                                                    
the item was  President Pitney's top priority  as it related                                                                    
to the  entire university  system. The upgrade  impacted all                                                                    
of the university's students; it  would help with enrollment                                                                    
and would reduce the university's  reliance on state general                                                                    
fund dollars in the future.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hutchison  moved to  the economic  development increment                                                                    
on slide  2. The  increment pertained to  critical minerals,                                                                    
rare earth, drones, enhanced  oil recovery, mariculture, and                                                                    
the  university's  health  program.  He  remarked  that  the                                                                    
university was very  pleased with the way  the House Finance                                                                    
Committee had  talked about  the projects.  The goal  was to                                                                    
show good  value for the  state. The governor had  asked the                                                                    
university  what  it could  do  help  Alaska. The  increment                                                                    
including    economic   development    packages   was    the                                                                    
university's response.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:38:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hutchison  turned  to  the  university's  growing  $1.4                                                                    
billion  deferred   maintenance  backlog  on  slide   3.  He                                                                    
remarked that  the need  was great. He  used Moore  Hall and                                                                    
Bartlett Hall  as an  example of  things the  university was                                                                    
doing to help the entire  state beyond the academic side. He                                                                    
detailed  that  in  the summertime,  the  university  housed                                                                    
woodland  firefighters  who  helped  out  with  firefighting                                                                    
activities  in the  Interior when  hundreds of  thousands of                                                                    
acres  were burning.  The university  had partnerships  that                                                                    
helped the entire  state, and some went  beyond the academic                                                                    
mission.                                                                                                                        
Mr.  Hutchison  moved  to  the  governor's  proposed  FY  23                                                                    
capital  budget on  slide 4.  The slide  included the  $18.7                                                                    
million GO  bond funds increment  for the Bartlett  Hall and                                                                    
Moore  Hall modernization  and renewal  and $20  million for                                                                    
the student IT  systems work. The slide  also included $94.4                                                                    
million in  funding authority for  the Seward  Marine Center                                                                    
research  vessel  (Sikuliaq)   infrastructure.  The  project                                                                    
included the extension  of the dock, a  warehouse, and high-                                                                    
level scientific  equipment to help with  Sikuliaq capacity.                                                                    
He  highlighted  the  increment  was  only  federal  funding                                                                    
authority. He  clarified there were  no dollars  attached to                                                                    
the  increment, it  was merely  the university's  ability to                                                                    
receive the funds at some  point in time. The university was                                                                    
very  encouraged by  the conversations  about the  Sikuliaq,                                                                    
but the money was still to come.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:40:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hutchison  turned  to slide  5  referenced  a  one-page                                                                    
document  ["University of  Alaska  FY  23 Priority  Deferred                                                                    
Maintenance (DM)  and Renewal  and Repurposing  (R&R)" (copy                                                                    
on  file)] prioritizing  all  of  the university's  deferred                                                                    
maintenance.  He  noted  that  slide  5  included  the  same                                                                    
projects on the priority list.  The top priority on the list                                                                    
was the  Moore Hall  and Bartlett  Hall systems  renewal. He                                                                    
noted there  were experts online  who could  answer detailed                                                                    
questions about the work.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick  noted the  original  cost  was under  $19                                                                    
million  and it  had increased  to almost  $21 million.  She                                                                    
highlighted that the work would cost more as time went on.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hutchison  agreed and  noted  the  cost was  likely  to                                                                    
continue increasing if the work was not addressed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:42:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hutchison  turned to  slide 6  showing the  remainder of                                                                    
the deferred  maintenance projects (projects 6  through 14).                                                                    
He  reiterated there  were experts  online for  any detailed                                                                    
questions. He concluded his presentation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:52 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:44:21 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: MUNICIPAL HARBOR MATCHING GRANTS                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:44:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARIE  HEIDEMANN,  PLANNING   CHIEF,  JUNEAU  FIELD  OFFICE,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT   OF   TRANSPORTATION  AND   PUBLIC   FACILITIES,                                                                    
provided   a   PowerPoint    presentation   titled   "Alaska                                                                    
Department  of Transportation  and Public  Facilities Harbor                                                                    
Grant Programs: Program  Development and Statewide Planning"                                                                    
(copy on file). She reviewed slide 2:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Background                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
         Legislation passed in 2006 (AS 29.60.800)                                                                           
         50% matching grant program                                                                                          
         Funded on an annual basis at the discretion of                                                                      
          the Alaska Legislature                                                                                                
         Projects locally inspired and managed                                                                               
         Competitive Process   Project Evaluation Board                                                                      
          evaluates and ranks projects                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Purpose                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         Provides financial assistance for construction                                                                      
          ready harbor improvement projects                                                                                     
         Furthers the sustainability of Alaska's public                                                                      
          harbor system                                                                                                         
         Recapitalizes   local    government's     harbor                                                                    
          infrastructure                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Heidemann  elaborated  on the  program's  purpose.  The                                                                    
program  was available  for  municipal  or regional  housing                                                                    
authority  owned  harbor  facilities  to  fund  construction                                                                    
ready  harbor projects.  She clarified  the program  was for                                                                    
small   boat  harbors,   not  commercial   docks  or   barge                                                                    
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:45:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann  turned to  slide 3  and continued  to provide                                                                    
information about the program:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Funds Availability                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
         Maximum of $5 million per municipality per year                                                                     
         Minimum state match of $50,000                                                                                      
         Funding is subject to budget process with the                                                                       
          Alaska Legislature                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Defined Categories Tier I and Tier II                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         Tier I   First priority, consists of major                                                                          
          maintenance and repair of a harbor facility                                                                           
          previously owned by the state and now is locally                                                                      
          owned                                                                                                                 
         Tier II Other facilities and those which have                                                                       
          received a Tier I grant                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Competitive Process                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
         Documented safety issue(s)                                                                                          
         Ability to fund match AND future maintenance &                                                                      
          operations                                                                                                            
         Serves the public interest                                                                                          
         Maintenance and operational need                                                                                    
         Public support (and local government resolution                                                                     
          of support)                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann elaborated on slide  3. She explained that the                                                                    
minimum project  size was $100,000  with a 50/50  match. She                                                                    
explained that when  the program began it had been  a way to                                                                    
get    local   participation    and   divest    some   state                                                                    
infrastructure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:47:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann  moved to slide  4 showing a list  of eligible                                                                    
and ineligible items.  The eligible items made  up the basic                                                                    
operation  of  a  harbor   including  boat  ramps,  seaplane                                                                    
floats,  and anything  integral to  the harbor.  The program                                                                    
did  not fund  breakwaters,  dredging,  or large  commercial                                                                    
docks.  She noted  the statute  specifically restricted  any                                                                    
preventative maintenance from eligibility.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Heidemann  discussed  the  50  percent  local  matching                                                                    
sources on slide 5. The  matching funds for the program were                                                                    
non-state funds. She  noted there were a  few state programs                                                                    
allowed as match, but primarily  federal, private, and local                                                                    
funding was  used for  the 50 percent  match. She  turned to                                                                    
slide 6 and relayed that  the Project Evaluation Board (PEB)                                                                    
met for  a half-day  public meeting.  She detailed  that the                                                                    
projects  were  ranked  ahead  of  the  legislative  session                                                                    
(there  was   a  current  list  available).   Board  members                                                                    
included  the harbor  program manager,  four representatives                                                                    
from  each  of  the  regions  and  statewide  Department  of                                                                    
Transportation  and Public  Facilities, and  the maintenance                                                                    
and  operations  specialist  with responsibility  for  state                                                                    
harbors.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:48:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann advanced to the  Harbor Grant Program timeline                                                                    
on slide 7. The call for  projects for the current cycle for                                                                    
FY 23  was the  previous spring. The  call for  projects for                                                                    
the next cycle  would occur in April 2022.  She relayed that                                                                    
the PEB met in the  fall and capital budget development took                                                                    
place  during winter  and spring.  Following the  governor's                                                                    
approval of  the capital budget,  the program  moved forward                                                                    
with project  awards (the  program moved  down the  list and                                                                    
funded  as many  projects as  it was  able). She  noted that                                                                    
others were  welcome to  come back for  the next  cycle. She                                                                    
informed the  committee that  the timeline  was set  so they                                                                    
knew  the award  within the  call for  projects, enabling  a                                                                    
municipality  that  was  unsuccessful  to  apply  again  the                                                                    
following year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  about  program funding  for                                                                    
the current fiscal year. He  wondered if the program funding                                                                    
had been funded, underfunded, or vetoed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann  answered the program  had been funded  in the                                                                    
amount of about  $7 million, which had  funded two projects.                                                                    
She believed  the projects  had both been  Tier I  in Seward                                                                    
and Cordova. She  would follow up with the  complete list of                                                                    
the projects awarded.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  asked  if his  memory  in  recent                                                                    
years  of  the  legislature  or  governor  not  funding  the                                                                    
program  was  incorrect.  He   asked  for  verification  the                                                                    
program was funded in the current year.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann answered that the  program had not been funded                                                                    
in FY 21 but had been funded in FY 22.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked why.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann replied that she did not know.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick  noted it  would likely  be a  question for                                                                    
the Office  of Management  and Budget  (OMB). She  would ask                                                                    
OMB to follow up on the question at a later time.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  had been approached by  someone who had                                                                    
told him the program had  been vetoed for several years. The                                                                    
individual  had been  looking to  get the  funding into  the                                                                    
budget. He thought perhaps he  was mistaking the program for                                                                    
something  else.   The  program   brought  to  him   by  the                                                                    
individual  had  included multiple  ports  and  a school  in                                                                    
Fairbanks located  on the Eielson  Air Force Base.  He asked                                                                    
if it rang a bell.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick  replied that  she  was  trying to  locate                                                                    
someone from OMB to address the questions.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:51:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann  discussed current  ranked projects for  FY 23                                                                    
on slide 8.  The list included two Tier  I applications from                                                                    
the City  of Valdez and  City of Yakutat. She  detailed that                                                                    
by statute the  two projects rose to the top  of the list as                                                                    
the  highest priority  with the  highest  score. There  were                                                                    
five Tier II  projects in Sand Point,  Juneau, Homer, Sitka,                                                                    
and Anchorage. The  slide listed the ranking  scores and the                                                                    
total  grant fund  request for  the  seven applications  was                                                                    
just over $20  million. She turned to slide  9 and addressed                                                                    
the recent program  funding levels in a bar  chart. The blue                                                                    
bar  reflected  the  municipal  request,  and  the  red  bar                                                                    
reflected  the capital  budget amount.  She highlighted  the                                                                    
program had been unfunded in  FY 21. The program request for                                                                    
FY 23  was about $20  million. She noted the  department did                                                                    
not yet know what the capital  budget amount would be for FY                                                                    
23.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson thought  it  appeared the  program                                                                    
had not been funded in the current fiscal year.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Heidemann  clarified   the  chart   showed  the   2022                                                                    
legislative   session  for   FY   23.   She  concluded   the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:53:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon referenced slide  4 related to program                                                                    
eligibility.  He asked  if the  economic  contribution of  a                                                                    
harbor was factored into the scoring process.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann responded there was  a standard for whether an                                                                    
applicant  had  sufficient  revenue  and  fee  structure  to                                                                    
operate  and maintain  [the infrastructure].  There was  not                                                                    
specific  standard   related  to  economic   development  or                                                                    
benefit. One of  the scoring criteria was  whether a project                                                                    
served  the  best  public  interest.   She  added  that  the                                                                    
importance of  the applicant's harbor facility  was standard                                                                    
8.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon spoke  in defense  of the  Sand Point                                                                    
community  in his  district where  a fishing  fleet occupied                                                                    
the harbor. He believed  the location was almost exclusively                                                                    
commercial fishing boats.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:55:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon observed that  the City of Valdez small                                                                    
boat harbor reconstruction was ranked  number one under Tier                                                                    
I on slide 8. He asked  if the project was ranked number one                                                                    
due to the nature of the  project or because the project had                                                                    
come up with twice the amount of matching funds required.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heidemann replied the project  was ranked number one due                                                                    
to its  criteria score. She answered,  "Yes, because they're                                                                    
Tier I," but the project  was also competitive with Yakutat.                                                                    
She  did  not  believe  the  increased  match  provided  the                                                                    
project with extra points. The  additional match was because                                                                    
the  [Valdez] project  hit  the ceiling  of  the $5  million                                                                    
maximum;  therefore, Valdez  had  to fund  the  rest of  the                                                                    
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon  thought it made sense,  but he thought                                                                    
it also made sense to reward  a community that put more into                                                                    
a project.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick  noted  that  Representative  Johnson  and                                                                    
Representative Carpenter had joined the meeting.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:56:29 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:27 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool referenced  a list  of harbor  projects                                                                    
that  was  similar to  the  presentation  but different.  He                                                                    
noted  the  list was  under  Alaska  Statute (AS)  29.60.700                                                                    
instead  of AS  29.60.800. The  list he  referenced included                                                                    
the Mat-Su  Borough deep water port,  Aleutians East Borough                                                                    
small boat  harbor, Valdez, and Fairbanks  Eielson Air Force                                                                    
Base  schools. He  thought it  was a  bond package  that had                                                                    
been vetoed the past couple of years.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI PAINTER, DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION (via                                                                    
teleconference),  replied  that  he was  familiar  with  the                                                                    
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  considered the Municipal  Harbor Grants                                                                    
Program [in the presentation], which  he reasoned was a fine                                                                    
list of boat  harbors; however, he noted  the other projects                                                                    
were being vetoed  and the state's obligation  was not being                                                                    
paid.   He   expressed   hesitancy   at   entering   another                                                                    
arrangement with additional projects.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  stated the difference  in the structure  of the                                                                    
programs was the  past bond program that  had an outstanding                                                                    
state  obligation  of  about  $2.4  million  in  FY  23.  He                                                                    
explained the  projects were financed and  there were annual                                                                    
bond  payments.  He  elaborated  that  funding  the  initial                                                                    
capitalization for  the projects under the  municipal harbor                                                                    
grants program  would discharge  the state's  obligation. He                                                                    
clarified that it would not create an ongoing obligation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:01:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  restated  his  question  for  OMB.  He                                                                    
referenced harbor  projects under  AS 29.60.700 with  a bond                                                                    
match that had  been vetoed in the past couple  of years. He                                                                    
wondered why.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NEIL STEININGER, DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET,                                                                    
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR  (via teleconference), responded that                                                                    
the governor  had vetoed a  number of projects  the previous                                                                    
year that were included in  the general obligation (GO) bond                                                                    
package proposed  during the last  session. He  relayed that                                                                    
some of  the projects  were included  in the  capital budget                                                                    
passed  by the  legislature  utilizing unrestricted  general                                                                    
funds (UGF) rather than receipts  from GO bond issuances. He                                                                    
explained  that many  of the  projects moved  from the  bond                                                                    
package  to  the  regular  capital  budget  were  vetoed  in                                                                    
acknowledgement of  the general fund resources  available at                                                                    
the time and  the administration's desire to  use bonding in                                                                    
the capital budget to support some of the needs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool stated  that  the  obligation had  been                                                                    
realized before  the previous  year and  before the  GO bond                                                                    
had  been put  forth.  He asked  for  verification that  the                                                                    
obligation  had  been  paid  in  previous  years  under  the                                                                    
operating budget or with UGF.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  responded  that  he may  be  confusing  the                                                                    
projects   Representative  Wool   was  talking   about  with                                                                    
projects  that were  included  in the  GO  bond package  the                                                                    
previous year.  He asked  if Representative  Wool's question                                                                    
was in reference  to some of the municipal  debt included in                                                                    
the  debt services  section of  operating  budgets in  prior                                                                    
years that had not been  included in operating budgets under                                                                    
the current administration.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:03:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  stated the  debt had been  included [in                                                                    
the budget]  but vetoed by  the administration.  He believed                                                                    
they  were speaking  about the  same thing.  He stated  that                                                                    
some of the items went back to 2007 and 2012.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  replied  that starting  in  the  governor's                                                                    
initial FY  20 budget, the administration  stopped including                                                                    
some of the  debt service payments for  non-state debt (that                                                                    
previously had  been included in  the operating  budget). He                                                                    
noted  the specific  debt was  often referred  to as  "moral                                                                    
obligation debt."  He explained that  some of the  items had                                                                    
been removed in FY 20 and  had been added back in subsequent                                                                    
years on  occasion and vetoed  because they were  not direct                                                                    
state obligations  for debt, but  debt paid "as a  matter of                                                                    
convention" by the state in prior years.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson continued  with the  same subject.                                                                    
He asked if the administration  had chosen to veto the items                                                                    
highlighted by  Representative Wool  for the same  reason it                                                                    
had  decided to  veto school  bond  debt in  terms of  moral                                                                    
responsibility.  Alternatively,  he   wondered  whether  the                                                                    
administration reached  the same  conclusion for a  veto but                                                                    
for a different reason.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger responded  that by  nature the  reasons were                                                                    
very similar.  He explained that  obligations that  were not                                                                    
necessarily tied  to the state's credit  rating were subject                                                                    
to   appropriation  and   had  been   viewed  similarly   in                                                                    
consideration in the years they had been vetoed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  referenced  the list  of  current                                                                    
Municipal Harbor  Grants Program ranked projects  on slide 8                                                                    
of  the presentation  at a  total of  about $20  million. He                                                                    
asked what  portion of the  $20 million was included  in the                                                                    
governor's budget.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger answered  that he did not believe  any of the                                                                    
harbors from  the Municipal Harbor Grants  Program list were                                                                    
accounted for  in the governor's  budget. He thought  one of                                                                    
the projects  may be on the  GO bond package list.  He would                                                                    
have to follow up.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:07:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson stated  that the  administration's                                                                    
department  (DOT) was  presenting  a list  of highly  ranked                                                                    
projects that were not in  the governor's capital budget. He                                                                    
asked  why the  list  had been  presented. Additionally,  he                                                                    
noted  the  administration  was vetoing  municipally  driven                                                                    
programs  where  historically   legislatures  would  provide                                                                    
around 50 percent  funding when they could afford  to do so.                                                                    
He  asked if  the  administration had  any  interest in  the                                                                    
improvement of harbors and docks at the local level.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger answered  that the  Municipal Harbor  Grants                                                                    
Program had been  funded in prior year  capital budgets when                                                                    
revenue  was available  to  fund projects  on  the list.  He                                                                    
stated  that often  the level  of funding  was based  on the                                                                    
highest ranked  projects on  the list.  He explained  it was                                                                    
separate from the  state in previous years  choosing to take                                                                    
on a  portion of  municipally issued  debt that  appeared as                                                                    
moral obligation debt in the  operating budget. He explained                                                                    
that  the   Municipal  Harbor  Grant  Program   had  ranking                                                                    
criteria  that   went  through  DOT.  He   stated  that  the                                                                    
administration was  interested in  funding ports  and harbor                                                                    
infrastructure  projects,  as  reflected   in  its  GO  bond                                                                    
package. He remarked  it was an area of  need throughout the                                                                    
state; however, like  most areas of need,  the need exceeded                                                                    
the available resources when the budget had been issued.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:10:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  stated  that since  December  the                                                                    
state had come into a  substantial amount of money. He asked                                                                    
if it  changed the administration's position.  He considered                                                                    
the $20 million  request from DOT and pointed  out the state                                                                    
had the funds.  He asked if the  administration believed the                                                                    
money should be appropriated.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  answered  that as  the  administration  was                                                                    
responding to  quickly changing events in  state revenue, it                                                                    
was analyzing the  highest and best use for  the revenue. He                                                                    
stated  that until  there was  a solid  spring forecast,  he                                                                    
could  not speak  to the  administration's  position on  the                                                                    
best  use for  the revenue.  The administration  had already                                                                    
proposed mechanisms  to fund some  port and  harbor projects                                                                    
around the state through the  GO bond package. He elaborated                                                                    
that  the administration  had put  out priorities  using the                                                                    
funding  available  on December  15.  He  remarked that  the                                                                    
change in revenue  may alter some of the  perspective on how                                                                    
to  best  fund  some  of the  projects,  but  currently  the                                                                    
administration   believed   the   GO   bond   issuance   was                                                                    
advantageous for the  state. How the surplus  was used would                                                                    
be thought  through as the  spring forecast was  received on                                                                    
March  15. He  could not  confirm that  the program  was the                                                                    
best use of  $20 million or just another good  use in a long                                                                    
list.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:12:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  returned   to  Representative  Wool's                                                                    
comments  about  a  Fairbanks  North  Star  School  District                                                                    
school located on Eielson Air  Force Base. He remarked there                                                                    
was  a mix  of projects  including several  ports. He  asked                                                                    
about the source and year  of the project list referenced by                                                                    
Representative Wool.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool answered  he  had  been referencing  AS                                                                    
29.60.700. He informed the committee  the Fairbanks bond was                                                                    
issued in 2006.  He believed Mr. Steininger had  called it a                                                                    
moral  obligation like  school  bond debt.  He believed  the                                                                    
idea  was the  state  would pay  half  and the  municipality                                                                    
would pay  half. He  stated Fairbanks  had been  included on                                                                    
the list  somehow. He  thought it had  been vetoed  the last                                                                    
several years. He  remarked on the new  revenue forecast and                                                                    
noted there was a $2 million obligation for FY 23.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB  283  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick reviewed  the schedule  for the  following                                                                    
day.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 283 2022-03-10 Harbor Grant Program_V.2.0_Submitted to H-FIN.pdf HFIN 3/10/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
HB 283 UA House Finance Deferred Maintenance 3 10 2022.pdf HFIN 3/10/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283
HB 283 AML Harbor Debt Reimbursement Joint Letter.pdf HFIN 3/10/2022 1:30:00 PM
HB 283